Does anybody know a news server (NNTP) that is hosting the
uk.rec.aviation.soaring newsgroup? I so far only found servers that host
the uk.rec.aviation group, but none for the soaring sub-newsgroup. I
know I can get to the newsgroup content through
http://uras.gliderpilto.net, but I would rather read the news group
through my usual newsreader.

Thanks,
--
Peter Scholz
ASW24 JE

On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 00:27:41 +0100, Peter Scholz wrote:

> Does anybody know a news server (NNTP) that is hosting the
> uk.rec.aviation.soaring newsgroup? I so far only found servers that host
> the uk.rec.aviation group, but none for the soaring sub-newsgroup. I
> know I can get to the newsgroup content through
> http://uras.gliderpilto.net, but I would rather read the news group
> through my usual newsreader.
>
> Thanks,

Thanks for pointing out the ukras group. I've asked for it to be added to
the feed at eternal-september. Whether that will produce a result, I
don't know.

--
Alex

On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 01:47:12 +0000, Alex Potter wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 00:27:41 +0100, Peter Scholz wrote:
>
>> Does anybody know a news server (NNTP) that is hosting the
>> uk.rec.aviation.soaring newsgroup? I so far only found servers that
>> host the uk.rec.aviation group, but none for the soaring sub-newsgroup.
>> I know I can get to the newsgroup content through
>> http://uras.gliderpilto.net, but I would rather read the news group
>> through my usual newsreader.
>>
>> Thanks,
>
> Thanks for pointing out the ukras group. I've asked for it to be added
> to the feed at eternal-september. Whether that will produce a result, I
> don't know.

AFAIK gliderpilot.net takes a forum feed from r.a.s but won't reciprocate
by generating an NNTP feed from its other forums: at least I haven't been
able to find a newsgroup corresponding to ukras.

Consequently, I won't look at ukras: web forums are so slow and clunky
compared to a decent USENET reader that its not worth the effort to read
them and, besides, forums don't have kill files.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 03:15:50 +0000, Martin Gregorie wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 01:47:12 +0000, Alex Potter wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 00:27:41 +0100, Peter Scholz wrote:
>>
>>> Does anybody know a news server (NNTP) that is hosting the
>>> uk.rec.aviation.soaring newsgroup? I so far only found servers that
>>> host the uk.rec.aviation group, but none for the soaring
>>> sub-newsgroup. I know I can get to the newsgroup content through
>>> http://uras.gliderpilto.net, but I would rather read the news group
>>> through my usual newsreader.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>
>> Thanks for pointing out the ukras group. I've asked for it to be added
>> to the feed at eternal-september. Whether that will produce a result, I
>> don't know.
>
> AFAIK gliderpilot.net takes a forum feed from r.a.s but won't
> reciprocate by generating an NNTP feed from its other forums: at least I
> haven't been able to find a newsgroup corresponding to ukras.
>
> Consequently, I won't look at ukras: web forums are so slow and clunky
> compared to a decent USENET reader that its not worth the effort to read
> them and, besides, forums don't have kill files.

Hmm. I can find neither a control message for a newsgroup
uk.rec.aviation.soaring at isc.org nor an RFD at uk.net.news.config, so I
guess it's not a properly constituted newsgroup. What a shame.

Egg on my face...

--
Alex

At 03:15 27 November 2010, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 01:47:12 +0000, Alex Potter wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 00:27:41 +0100, Peter Scholz wrote:
>>
>>> Does anybody know a news server (NNTP) that is hosting
the
>>> uk.rec.aviation.soaring newsgroup? I so far only found
servers that
>>> host the uk.rec.aviation group, but none for the soaring
sub-newsgroup.
>>> I know I can get to the newsgroup content through
>>> http://uras.gliderpilto.net, but I would rather read the news
group
>>> through my usual newsreader.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>
>> Thanks for pointing out the ukras group. I've asked for it to
be added
>> to the feed at eternal-september. Whether that will produce
a result, I
>> don't know.
>
>AFAIK gliderpilot.net takes a forum feed from r.a.s but won't
reciprocate
>by generating an NNTP feed from its other forums: at least I
haven't been
>able to find a newsgroup corresponding to ukras.
>
>Consequently, I won't look at ukras: web forums are so slow
and clunky
>compared to a decent USENET reader that its not worth the
effort to read
>them and, besides, forums don't have kill files.
>
>
>--
>martin@ | Martin Gregorie
>gregorie. | Essex, UK
>org |
>

But not being listed as a group on the major servers does have
the effect of reducing the amount of spam by a huge amount.
Swings and roundabouts, I suppose.

On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 10:22:02 +0000, Paul Tribe wrote:

> At 03:15 27 November 2010, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 01:47:12 +0000, Alex Potter wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 00:27:41 +0100, Peter Scholz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anybody know a news server (NNTP) that is hosting
> the
>>>> uk.rec.aviation.soaring newsgroup? I so far only found
> servers that
>>>> host the uk.rec.aviation group, but none for the soaring
> sub-newsgroup.
>>>> I know I can get to the newsgroup content through
>>>> http://uras.gliderpilto.net, but I would rather read the news
> group
>>>> through my usual newsreader.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Thanks for pointing out the ukras group. I've asked for it to
> be added
>>> to the feed at eternal-september. Whether that will produce
> a result, I
>>> don't know.
>>
>>AFAIK gliderpilot.net takes a forum feed from r.a.s but won't
> reciprocate
>>by generating an NNTP feed from its other forums: at least I
> haven't been
>>able to find a newsgroup corresponding to ukras.
>>
>>Consequently, I won't look at ukras: web forums are so slow
> and clunky
>>compared to a decent USENET reader that its not worth the
> effort to read
>>them and, besides, forums don't have kill files.
>>
>>
>>--
>>martin@ | Martin Gregorie
>>gregorie. | Essex, UK
>>org |
>>
>>
> But not being listed as a group on the major servers does have the
> effect of reducing the amount of spam by a huge amount. Swings and
> roundabouts, I suppose.
>
Theres very little spam on r.a.s or, for that matter, on technical
newsgroups I use compared with the normal volume on e-mail. IMO the 'no
spam' argument is a very small swing.

The majority of the spam that I see comes through a fairly busy mailing
list and it all originates in associated web forums. Based on this, I
think ukras has simply been lucky that no black hats have (yet)
considered it a useful spam delivery channel.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:30:39 +0000, Martin Gregorie wrote:

> Based on this, I
> think ukras has simply been lucky that no black hats have (yet)
> considered it a useful spam delivery channel.

Neither is it listed in the ISC list of newsqroups, therefore it's not a
properly constituted newsgroup, and will not be carried by any reputable
NNTP server.

--
Alex

Am 28.11.2010 14:55, Alex Potter wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:30:39 +0000, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>> Based on this, I
>> think ukras has simply been lucky that no black hats have (yet)
>> considered it a useful spam delivery channel.
>
> Neither is it listed in the ISC list of newsqroups, therefore it's not a
> properly constituted newsgroup, and will not be carried by any reputable
> NNTP server.
>

thanks to all contributors for the explanations and insights.

So ukras seems to be just a forum not accessible by newsreaders, despite
it's name suggesting that it is a proper newsgroup.

I hope the "important" discussions will be on the ras newsgroup, as I
find the monitoring of ukras through the gliderpilot.net forum software
too timeconsuming and therefore will not be a regular guest on that forum.
--
Peter Scholz
ASW24 JE